tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post7173377554275873359..comments2023-10-22T08:57:00.454-04:00Comments on Twelfth Bough: and one day the owner came home and was gravely disappointedA. Peasanthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01929646095992796530noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-53556386969395184642010-07-12T10:12:45.552-04:002010-07-12T10:12:45.552-04:00haha, exactly right!haha, exactly right!A. Peasanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01929646095992796530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-30895418169774683542010-07-12T02:15:49.596-04:002010-07-12T02:15:49.596-04:00Ha, cue the Fawlty Towers reruns! Happily what wit...Ha, cue the Fawlty Towers reruns! Happily what with being American you get to be Polly. If I was there I'd kick arse as Basil. I can do the funny walks and everything.nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13067422372087431256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-23861333502038975542010-07-10T08:13:53.322-04:002010-07-10T08:13:53.322-04:00ha nobs, if only i were 'swanning about...'...ha nobs, if only i were 'swanning about...'. no rather it is more like running a small hotel. i'll be back to things just as soon as i can, i promise.A. Peasanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01929646095992796530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-80556466471526642462010-07-10T02:28:30.012-04:002010-07-10T02:28:30.012-04:00Hey AP, that's enough swanning about on holida...Hey AP, that's enough swanning about on holiday mate. Time to come back and tie all that Belgian monkey business together for us. Whatever it was I said before about useless Belgian police etc. I no longer know what to think now. The 'catechism' at Pen's blew my mind. I still can't believe that the Catholic heirarchy <i>fought the parents over it.</i> Ordinarily I'd have said that that was <i>impossible</i> but there I was reading about it.<br /><br />You and Aangirfan, bloody la-di-dah types having holidays! Do I get holidays? No, I just go mad like normal people. Anyway, ease my madness mate. Do that Belgium Boompsadaisy!nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13067422372087431256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-85164027378375468472010-07-08T19:43:10.242-04:002010-07-08T19:43:10.242-04:00I've taken Jesus as an example to live by in t...I've taken Jesus as an example to live by in the past (so much so that I fancy myself as a better Christian than many who identify as Christians), but I'm so pissed-off with all things Jewish at the moment, even if there were abundant evidence that Jesus was a real historical individual, I'd be inclined to ignore it. But there isn't much of that kind of evidence. The passages in Josephus likely were forged, and that's all the "hard evidence" there is. In all liklihood, Christ started out as a myth, and the "historical" Jesus came along later with the encouragement of the church as it established itself.<br /><br />See e.g. <i>The Jesus Mysteries</i> by Freke and Gandy, <i>The Jesus Puzzle</i> by Earl Doherty.<br /><br />Whatever the truth is, there are worse ways to come to know a religious figure than to begin by examining the evidence that they did indeed exist.<br /><br /><br />Peter DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-3284910241207189282010-07-07T07:51:10.542-04:002010-07-07T07:51:10.542-04:00hi Dave, haha, yes i got that lash quote over at b...hi Dave, haha, yes i got that lash quote over at bho's place. but i don't know lash's work, i just cribbed the quote from bho because in regard to that particular concept, i agree.<br /><br />i like your last comment also, and agree that it's a lot closer than we realize. in fact we are all inside God is how it came to me one day.<br /><br /><i>Imagine a Christ in the current time - confronting TPTB with powerful truth, exposing them, living "outside the box " they would like<br />us to live in, no TEEVEE, no life filled with piles of useless crap goods, sh(r)edding the religious corrupters of our souls.<br />Maybe there's a little christ in us already if will just seek it out - no heroics necessary.</i><br /><br />that's so correct Dave. that's the way... you know, "the way."A. Peasanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01929646095992796530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-18786440058276476442010-07-06T21:37:10.013-04:002010-07-06T21:37:10.013-04:00No worries, Dave. Can I go back to my chocolate an...No worries, Dave. Can I go back to my chocolate and watching Eric Clapton, now?<br /><br /><em>"Religions/beliefs seem to come with the obligatory middleman to get you to your destination- lost.<br />Seems like we always learn late in the story ( like Dorothy in Oz ) most of what we seek is closer than we imagined."</em><br /><br />Fucking perfect, mate!jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-44944513582617546572010-07-06T21:30:27.835-04:002010-07-06T21:30:27.835-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-8961013450838538312010-07-06T21:29:39.576-04:002010-07-06T21:29:39.576-04:00A number of comments have disappeared from the thr...A number of comments have disappeared from the thread; 10 judging by the numbers.<br /><br />Peter, yes, 911 and plane/no plane is an example of social engineering but to get into the debate of whether there were planes or not is to fall into the object of the social engineering rather than studying it as a subject. Which is what AP was on about. <br /><br />But if you are using it to point out that Lash may be into social engineering, then you have a very good point, in my view, which is where I originally came in. <br />I was looking at Lash's article from the point of view that it is strange that he is advocating violence and arguing side issues about David Icke and not pointing out that Icke himself is a gatekeeper or disinfo agent. Meanwhile, he has planted the idea that violence is ok if you are on the side of the righteous (and who isn't!) and uses an ancient Hindu goddess (amongst other things) to justify it. I posted a link to a description of this goddess so people could have a good look at 'her' including her destructive nature and decide whether 'she' is for them or not.<br /><br />So lets get back to social engineering. Why would people like Icke and others like Alex Jones put up all this good revelatory info if they are ultimately working for the other side?'It's called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well" rel="nofollow">'poisoning the well'</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt_by_association" rel="nofollow"> 'guilt by association'</a>. hese are short explanations. The last link has some useful graphics and explanations of false logic. The first link doesn tdescribe exactly how "poisining the well' is used in internet and 'intelligence' scenarios but it is as close as I can find in the short time I have.<br /><br />People are attracted to them because of the good info (which is never original and freely available elsewhere) and add in some damaging and false info. In Icke's case it is the "Reptilian Blood' bullshit. So when someone is making a case for wrong doing by TPTB, they point to the fact that Icke says that too and he goes also goes on about Reptilian Blood and is obviously 'off the planet'. The conclusion is then that <strong>you</strong> are off the planet too together with everything else Icke is supporting.<br /><br />So Lash with his non-outing of Icke as a gatekeeper (which is fairly widely known), his dodgy logic, his incitement to violence and stuff that is off topic and distracting, mixed in with his other information which is valid and good, appears to fit the profile of a disinformation agent or gatekeeper. They make themselves out to be leaders in the field so they can act as 'pied pipers'. Or another analogy is they act as a 'Trogan Horse' inside the legitimate oppposition. Therefore they have to put up a lot of correct info, too. But as I said, the good stuff is never original. If it's original, it's bullshit.<br /><br />They have time and money to run big websites and travel promoting themselves and appear to have no problem in getting published and promoted. Icke gets on the BBC regularly which should tell you all you need to know, for instance. We know that TPTB employ these gatekeepers. The question then is, "Who are they?"<br /><br />So maybe Lash in in on the gig, too. And if he is then the 'noplanes' is an example of "poisoning the well" and an attempt to set up 'guilt through association' connections with other genuine truth seekers. <br /><br />But whatever, his promotion of violence against TPTB is suicidal and exactly what the PTB want. It's their weapon of choice. They need an 'enemy' to justify their destructive wars and oppressive social restrictions. No? After all, they pay big money to organise and pay for their various terrorist organisations so they would love people to do it for them for free.<br /><br />So I reckon I'm done stepping on corns for now and will be leaving any sacred cows alone in future!jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-63279806515538356612010-07-06T21:02:19.734-04:002010-07-06T21:02:19.734-04:00James many apologies for your tired hands.
Never s...James many apologies for your tired hands.<br />Never saw the spiritual/religion angle coming - my bad.<br />I had read Lash's book " Not In His Image" last year and faded fast when he headed into the Gaia/Sophia/Living Earth belief.<br /><br />Religions/beliefs seem to come with the obligatory middleman to get you to your destination- lost.<br />Seems like we always learn late in the story ( like Dorothy in Oz ) most of what we seek is closer than we imagined.<br /><br />Imagine a Christ in the current time - confronting TPTB with powerful truth, exposing them, living "outside the box " they would like<br />us to live in, no TEEVEE, no life filled with piles of useless crap goods, sh(r)edding the religious corrupters of our souls.<br />Maybe there's a little christ in us already if will just seek it out - no heroics necessary.<br /><br />Oh AP who wrote that quote at the start of your June 5 article ? ( LOL )<br /><br />DaveDavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-57654118488138357832010-07-06T19:59:41.430-04:002010-07-06T19:59:41.430-04:00Hi James,
I had come to the conclusion that the ps...Hi James,<br />I had come to the conclusion that the psychopaths responsible for 9/11 also had a hand in fostering the "no-planes" disinformation campaign – and that it <i>was</i> ultimately a disinformation campaign. So it is potentially a practical example of psychopathy that we could look at, and may not be too far off-topic after all. (That’s the story I’ll be sticking to anyway...)<br /><br />As far as cautiously confronting the public with the solid evidence pointing to 9/11 being a false flag attack goes, the no-planes thesis would fall into the "crack smoking lunatic" basket as far as the general population is concerned. So even if there were some truth to it, it's one of the last things to bring up if you expect to be taken seriously, I would have thought.<br /><br />After reading his book, I felt that Lash was obviously better in touch with human history than most, and hoped to learn much more from him, so it was troubling to see him giving a fresh spin on the sordid old no-planes story. That said, I did actually enjoy reading the essay of his Dave posted.<br /><br />Peter DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-50796171644522055772010-07-06T16:46:35.972-04:002010-07-06T16:46:35.972-04:00I am only fleetingly familiar with Lash but I can ...I am only fleetingly familiar with Lash but I can tell you do have an idea of one's depth of understanding labels the the monolithic religions of the east as koolaide. <br /><br />The current paradigm of current Christain understanding is relatively simply and in my opinion superficial. It is something a five year old can fully understand in sunday school, love Jesus and you go to heaven and the rest of the heathen burn in the fire. <br /><br />It tends to short circuit further attempts of discovery concerning the nature of the human and the creator and present a false sense of security and indeed was designed to do so by the "psychopaths." See council of Nicea. <br /><br />But anyway enough of that if you wish to explore further. <br /><br />I keep this handy for those convinced moving out of the box is koolaide sipping. <br /><br />http://wwwcampfire.blogspot.com/2009/09/new-perspectives-on-old-subject_16.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-29507961317155269472010-07-06T11:14:49.802-04:002010-07-06T11:14:49.802-04:00btw pen, check out that link for fractals. i found...btw pen, check out that link for fractals. i found one for my desktop. pretty cool and they look like paintings.A. Peasanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01929646095992796530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-86543774982151544482010-07-06T11:13:08.972-04:002010-07-06T11:13:08.972-04:00hi all. no fighting, please. i'm not touching ...hi all. no fighting, please. i'm not touching this discussion re: lash etc. kiss kiss hug hug to all. ; D<br /><br />pen, hi. so sorry you don't feel well. if it's any comfort i also have the family troubles.... such is life. also i have not been making the rounds either due to the family vacation at our cottage & much company.<br /><br />bho -- dubs comments come to my email but they don't show up. i don't know what is up with that. it's nothing on this end as far as i know. been an ongoing problem tho.A. Peasanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01929646095992796530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-32765032876555933572010-07-06T10:43:19.107-04:002010-07-06T10:43:19.107-04:00Dublin Mick says -
"It is easier than we are ...Dublin Mick says -<br />"It is easier than we are making it out to be here. Mother nature both creates and destroys and this holds true in all the finite world. In order to live you must be willing to die. That holds true for man and the amoeba."<br /><br />DM's posts aren't appearing....from Bho.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-72454350521801467552010-07-06T10:01:07.779-04:002010-07-06T10:01:07.779-04:00Hey AP!!!
I love the fractal, as for the social e...Hey AP!!!<br /><br />I love the fractal, as for the social engineering it is everywhere, all around us, some don't see it, some thankfully do.<br /><br />Just a minute to pop in today.<br />summertime and the weather is stifling, my health has been in the shitter as of late, and family worries got me on the run, any surprise, family worries and health in the shitter?<br /><br />Anyway, haven't forgotten you, partner in crime, just have been unable to make the rounds<br /><br />hey to everyone else.<br /><br />One more thing, I love that fractal...<br />I think I need to find a new one?Pennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16834513101685995010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-9109347567013272722010-07-06T00:50:10.702-04:002010-07-06T00:50:10.702-04:00Hi Peter D,
I'll answer at the risk of hogging...Hi Peter D,<br />I'll answer at the risk of hogging the thread as you've addressed your question to me (as well as Dave).<br /><br /><em>Avatar</em> is a work of fiction. It is valid to use a fictional story in an argument as an analogy for illustrative purposes. But it is invalid to use it as evidence or an argument in its own right because it is fiction and the story can be constructed regardless of consequences that would prevail in reality. And logic is the philosophic discipline employed to uncover reality. So you can see it is self defeating to use unreality to try and prove reality.<br /><br />It is unclear to me in which sense Lash is trying to use <em>Avatar</em> in his article. Maybe both. But given that his article is a series of assertions without much in the way of logical connection, I don't think it matters.<br /><br />Lash's views on 9/11 and 'planes/no planes' is off topic so I'm loathe to comment on it. I have commented on religions (and then answered questions on my comments) because they feed directly into the problem of the roots of psychopathy and social engineering which is the topic under discussion.jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-81720521965378130332010-07-06T00:27:05.450-04:002010-07-06T00:27:05.450-04:00Chill, people. Ever hear the line, "don't...<em>Chill, people. Ever hear the line, "don't criticize what you don't understand"?</em><br /><br /> Hullo Bholanath, you say <em>“Chill, people.”</em> There was no problem here that I could detect. But you go on to say <em>“Ever hear the line, "don't criticize what you don't understand"?”</em> Excuse me? Now it seems you're the one who needs to chill. Speaking for myself, how could you possibly know what level of understanding I have or of the others commenting on this thread? This sounds far from courteous to me, at the least, and arrogance at the worst.<br /><br /><em>There might be some valid questions regarding Lash's work, but without a thorough study, the above comments are meaningless.</em> <br /><br />One does not need to read an author's complete body of work to comment on one article of his, surely. Are any of my comments meaningless to you? Please elaborate if you think they are.<br /><br /><em>Calling something "Kool-aid" might be cute, but shows serious lack of comprehension of the author's work and DIRECT EXPERIENCE, but then, how would you know?</em><br /><br />The discussion so far has been limited to the author's article that was linked. The article should be able to stand on its own merits and I have briefly critiqued some of it. This is not a philosophical journal but a blog comment thread. Which 'DIRECT EXPERIENCE' cited in the article were you refering to? <em>“How would I know?”</em> We've covered that already. Is it discourtesy or arrogance? <br /><br /><em>The above limited descriptions of 'Kali' are nothing but the most superficial.</em> <br /><br />This is a blog comment thread as noted previously.<br /><br /><em>Do you know of the supremely loving and compassionate Mother and Lover that is Kali? And who is no different from Mother Earth, Bhoomi Devi, Pachamama? Of course you don't.</em> <br /><br />It would appear that you have not read my comments carefully. I refered to Kali being a contrary goddess and some seeing her as “renewal”. What I did say was correct though not a complete encyclopaedic exposition, I'll grant you. Again, is this discourtesy or arrogance?<br /><br /><em>Someone who has direct experience can easily recognize that Lash has done the necessary deep inner work to come to know an immense Reality, untouched and unknown even by the Hindu pandits and second-hand scribes and commentators. <br />Same goes for Lash's path through Gnostic/Sophianic studies and experience that brought him to the living pre-Vedic Mother-Earth-Goddess revelations.</em><br /><br />Again you don't know what my direct experience is but I can tell you it covers some things that Lash admits he has no direct experience in. But then it would be most unusual to have two people with exactly overlaping experiences in anything. No?<br /><br /><em>Of course the one-god/one-way christian kool-aid is still coursing through the veins of billions, but it's way past time for a major detox.</em> <br /><br />No argument there. But if you read the comments again, you will see that no-one is advocating for christian or any other religions. Quite the opposite, in fact. I take it that you have no objection to the term 'kool-aid' being used in connection with religions?<br /><br /><em>Unfortunately, it's now in progress, and will come in the absolute worst possible way, with the destruction of billions of lives. The seeds of the fatal 'error' of which Lash speaks were planted and nurtured by the monotheistic 'religions' ages ago, and we get to be here to witness the 'fruits'. Lucky us. Don't say you weren't warned.</em><br /><br />Yes, maybe so. But, just because one lot got reality wrong doesn't mean the alternative is necessarily right. Regardless, your above comments were not covered in Lash's article in question, as far as I can see.jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-51192194636404517082010-07-05T22:52:33.677-04:002010-07-05T22:52:33.677-04:00This is really a lot easier than we are making it ...This is really a lot easier than we are making it out to be. Mother nature both creates and destroys through all spectrums of the finite world. This holds true for man and the amoeba. <br /><br />The misunderstandings can mostly be traced back to the conception of what the creator is. Many view God as a man in the sky with a white beard mostly in the west. The east has a more scientific view in that the creator is energy, the two forces of positive and negative that produce lightning in the sky and form a baby in the womb. Mother nature if you will.<br /><br />The female is negative and the male positive, the two forces of creation. It is not about what you believe, it is about what you know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-80269916062615341942010-07-05T22:32:21.604-04:002010-07-05T22:32:21.604-04:00Dave, James,
I've read Lash's book (Not i...Dave, James,<br /><br />I've read Lash's book (Not in His Image), and had looked forward to when I'd finally get around to spending time on his website - I had high hopes. The whole throw-the-male-sky-god-in-the-bin idea seems powerful to me, and worth exploring. The essay you linked to, Dave, was thought-provoking enough. He puts too much stock in a flash-in-the-pan blockbuster (Avatar) for my liking, but even the whole righteous-violence idea seemed worth considering, if a little impractical and problematic (they're just <i>daring</i> us to get violent, it would seem). But then I look around a little, and he introduces 9/11 truth on his site by, yet again, using Avatar as an example, and it turns out, Lash is a no-planer! (See the "Avatar Magic" section, 2/3rds of the way down this page: http://www.metahistory.org/tantra/lunarshaktis/PT2010Reckoning.php )<br /><br />What do people think of no-planers around here? I thought the idea had died a slow and agonising death on the webs. But I did think it was dead by now. It's a little disturbing to see someone bring it up as <i>the</i> way to spread 9/11 truth...<br /><br />Peter DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-32299156045774436482010-07-05T22:01:16.461-04:002010-07-05T22:01:16.461-04:00Chill, people. Ever hear the line, "don't...Chill, people. Ever hear the line, "don't criticize what you don't understand"?<br />There might be some valid questions regarding Lash's work, but without a thorough study, the above comments are meaningless. Calling something "Kool-aid" might be cute, but shows serious lack of comprehension of the author's work and DIRECT EXPERIENCE, but then, how would you know?<br />The above limited descriptions of 'Kali' are nothing but the most superficial. Do you know of the supremely loving and compassionate Mother and Lover that is Kali? And who is no different from Mother Earth, Bhoomi Devi, Pachamama? Of course you don't. <br />Someone who has direct experience can easily recognize that Lash has done the necessary deep inner work to come to know an immense Reality, untouched and unknown even by the Hindu pandits and second-hand scribes and commentators. <br />Same goes for Lash's path through Gnostic/Sophianic studies and experience that brought him to the living pre-Vedic Mother-Earth-Goddess revelations.<br />Of course the one-god/one-way christian kool-aid is still coursing through the veins of billions, but it's way past time for a major detox. Unfortunately, it's now in progress, and will come in the absolute worst possible way, with the destruction of billions of lives. The seeds of the fatal 'error' of which Lash speaks were planted and nurtured by the monotheistic 'religions' ages ago, and we get to be here to witness the 'fruits'. Lucky us. Don't say you weren't warned.bholanathhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13722069078428772316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-59249966540191117942010-07-05T21:57:13.931-04:002010-07-05T21:57:13.931-04:00Here we go again posts not showing up here. Exactl...Here we go again posts not showing up here. Exactly why I opened a wordpress blog. <br /><br />It is easier than we are making it out to be here. Mother nature both creates and destroys and this holds true in all the finite world. In order to live you must be willing to die. That holds true for man and the amoeba.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-32356318401852307522010-07-05T21:54:12.593-04:002010-07-05T21:54:12.593-04:00It is easier than we are making it out to be here....It is easier than we are making it out to be here. Mother nature both creates and destroys and this holds true in all the finite world. In order to live you must be willing to die. That holds true for man and the amoeba.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-82181554013165033252010-07-05T21:00:04.599-04:002010-07-05T21:00:04.599-04:00Hi Chuck,
I can be a bit spare in my comments. So,...Hi Chuck,<br />I can be a bit spare in my comments. So, apologies for that. I mean no disrespect to anyone here. I am a retired catholic, too. So I am very familiar with the journey outwards from that and I also got into Eastern Mysticism thinking that if the catholics were wrong, this Eastern crew might well be right. But I found the same spirit of power present. And that is exactly what I read in Lash's words, btw.<br /><br />I went to some (though not great) length to pull apart John Lash's arguments in his article so I was definitely not endorsing his ideas. Then when I linked an article that described the 'deity' he is advocating following or emulating, I thought it would naturally follow that I was not endorsing that 'deity' either. <br /><br />If you read the article on Kali/Kalika you'll see 'she' is contrary and blood thirsty. 'She' is, after all, the goddess of death. Some will reframe this as renewal. But death and destruction is death and destruction to me. There is no compassion in the goddess Kali/Kalika and so you could reasonably describe 'her ' as psychopathic, to link back to AP's post here. How do psychopaths get the way they are? Many, including me, believe it is by opting to follow the way of power and exploitation from a very early age.<br /><br />Dave kindly linked to an article of mine where at the beginning of it, I explain my reasoning behind there being possible only one God and that God cannot be destructive and still be God. You might find it interesting to compare with Kali.<br />Here's <a href="http://winterpatriot.com/node/431" rel="nofollow">the link again</a><br /><br />Cheersjamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-481838326205496616.post-70340297996744840712010-07-05T20:44:47.891-04:002010-07-05T20:44:47.891-04:00Chuckyman someone us submensa ex-Southern
Baptist...Chuckyman someone us submensa ex-Southern<br />Baptists don't understand "all of the Eastern mysticism" either ! Probably just as well.<br /><br />DaveDavenoreply@blogger.com