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UPDATED again: unconfirmed: "Turkish sources and media revealed a document which shows that a death list had been prepared in advance by the Israelis, showing names and pictures of people on board of the ships to be murdered, who, according to Israel, were “involved in the International humanitarian aid for Gaza”. According to the Turkish sources, hundreds of Israeli soldiers stormed the blue Turkish ship “Marmara” flotilla and they had copies of the death list. The list included the names of civilians on the fleet who should be killed”. The document was apparently recovered after one of the Israeli soldiers lost it during the piracy act." via Kawther Salam, also cited by Damian Lataan

UPDATE: See video of Israelis celebrating attack on Turkish Aid Ship - infront of Turkish Embassy,Tel Aviv.

Un-flipping-believable. How does one say this is an accident or a mistake when people are celebrating it like a victory? Insane.

Oh wait! Now that they think about it, put the party flags down because they're actually very upset.

"It’s the military failure combined with the international damage. Most people could live with that if it had been done successfully,'' says Tom Segev, a leading Israeli historian. "It's not that people are angry that people in Gaza are hungry. It was an operation that was ill-conceived and didn't go well enough. They hate when things go wrong.''..."It was stupid on our part. There was no way the mission could have been done properly. It's the government's fault, I don't blame the soldiers," says Maureen Bassan, a retired English teacher. "I don't believe the activists were humanitarian. They knew this was a way to get Israel to do a stupid thing, and I don't like the fact that we fell into the trap.''
So if it had worked, it would have been great, no problem whacking those fuckers on those boats. Who cares if the people in Gaza starve. But since it didn't work out, and now they have to deal with all this international bullshit, this was totally stupid and a trap. Yeah yeah... that's the ticket...

Hey Israel, GFY. ~ end update

Good coverage at Today's Zaman.


mistake - a wrong action attributable to bad judgment or ignorance or inattention

Israeli mistake? Killing passengers on the Mavi Marmara.

Lieberman makes the following claims:
  • the passengers are terrorist supporters
  • the passengers fired at IOF solders as soon as they boarded (ie: raided) the ships
  • all attempts to enter dialog and "reach an understanding with the organizers" were rejected
  • Israel does not INTEND TO ALLOW any attack on its sovereignty by terror supporters
Deputy Prime Minister Avigdor Lieberman spoke with the EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs, Baroness Catherine Ashton, and with German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle on Monday regarding the IDF flotilla raids which took place earlier on Monday. Lieberman said that the passengers on the ships were not freedom fighters, but terrorist supporters who fired at IDF soldiers as soon as the latter boarded the ships.

Liberman explained to his colleagues that all Israeli attempts to enter into a dialogue at an earlier stage and reach an understanding with the organizers of the flotilla were rejected by them. "What happened this morning was pre-planned violence and Israeli does not intend to allow any attack on its sovereignty by groups of terror-supporters and anarchists," Lieberman said.

So if Avigdor Lieberman says the passengers are not passengers, they are terrorist supporters, he says that because the Palestinians are also redefined as terrorists. So if the Palestinians are terrorists, then you can't support them without being a terrorist supporter. See? So simples.

Also see how the passengers engaging in self-defense from the offensive IOF harassment and raid becomes the the terrorist supporters attacking the IOF.

Notice that Israel "does not intend to allow" any terrorist supporters to violate Israeli sovereignty, even way out in international waters!

Everything is simply REDEFINED to serve Israel's ends. Words are meaningless to them. Facts are meaningless.

For instance, according to the JPost, the passengers were armed with knives, bats and metal pipes. They got the pistols off of the IOF commandos who boarded the ship from helicopters in a 2AM raid.
Upon boarding the ships, the soldiers encountered fierce resistance from the passengers who were armed with knives, bats and metal pipes. The soldiers used non-lethal measures to disperse the crowd. The activists, according to an IDF report, succeeded in stealing two handguns from soldiers and opened fire, leading to an escalation in violence.

So the passengers assumed, like any people would, that armed commandos dropping from helicopters at 2AM were not there for tea, and they defended themselves with the items at hand, not as described in the subtitle to that very same story: IDF: Soldiers were met by well-planned lynch, concealed handguns. 

That is not what the IOF report says. The report says the activists succeeded in stealing two handguns from the soldiers, presumably in SELF-DEFENSE from heavily armed commandos dropping out of helicopters in the middle of the night.

And anyway, people on the boat dispute the claim that they grabbed soldiers' guns, and even if they did it was in self-defense. "People had the right to defend themselves against soldiers armed with machine guns.''

The big surprise here for Israel is that people fought back. Typical bullies. They just can't believe their eyes when anyone fights back.

More from JPost. Pay attention to their own words. They will HANG THEMSELVES with their own words, because they have no regard for the facts or the truth, so they will make many contradictory statements and get all tangled up in their own lies.
“As the 15 of us slid down the ropes, 30 of them were waiting for us on the deck,” one of the commandos later told reporters. “They charged us and threw a few of the soldiers off the deck to the floor below. We did not expect to find ourselves in such a situation.”

The assessment within the Navy was that the activists would resist the Israeli takeover of their ship but along the lines of the demonstrations the IDF faces weekly in the West Bank where Palestinians protest against the security barrier. Rocks and punches would be thrown as well as an occasional knife but not the extent of violence they met.

As the rope fell from the helicopter onto the Mavi Marmara’s deck, some of the Turkish activists grabbed it, tied it to an antenna likely hoping that it would bring down the helicopter. The Navy commandos decided to still go ahead with the operation and began sliding down onto the ship.

Armed with rifles that could shoot paintballs – which can hurt but not kill – the soldiers landed on the ship and immediately came under attack by dozens of activists armed with knives, bats and metal pipes. Activists grabbed soldiers and tried to hold them hostage, stripping them of their helmets and equipment.

One of the soldiers tried to protect a commando who was being lynched by a group of activists. They were instructed by the flotilla commander to refrain from using their sidearm unless their lives were at risk.

The force threw several stun grenades but the violent attacks continued. Two soldiers were injured and some of the activists succeeded in stealing one of the soldier’s guns. Shots were fired and one of the soldiers fell to the ground unconscious. Fearing for their lives, the soldiers asked and received permission to open fire, first taking aim at the activists’ feet.

In one corner of the ship, the commandos saw a gun flash. They returned fire and started chasing the shooter but could not find him.
As the clashes intensified, additional commandos boarded the ship as well as members of the Border Police’s Yasam unit who are experts in riot control and crowd dispersion. After less than an hour, the ship was in Israeli hands. The price though was steep – eight soldiers were injured, several of them seriously and at least nine activists were killed.

By the evening, the naval commandos were back at their base in northern Israel and had begun their debriefing.

The videos taken by the IDF were passed around throughout the defense establishment and made their way to other special forces, including the Israel Police’s elite counter-terror unit Yamam, which had fought to participate in the mission but had been left on the sidelines due to legal complications involving police operations out at sea.

“The soldiers acted with the utmost nobility,” said one police source close to the Yamam. “They engaged in hand-to-hand combat, sustained injuries, but only opened fire after one of them was lying on the ground unconscious and two others had been shot. This was an unbelievable demonstration of restraint.”    

Notice that in their video, the stun grenade is "thrown at soldiers." Also the "firebomb thrown at soldiers." But in the same story, they admit that the IOF threw the stun grenades. The passengers presumably did not have stun grenades and firebombs.

In the close up footage, obviously taken by the IOF stationed close by and ready to go with night vision camera, you can see the passengers defending themselves with sticks and, in one case, a chair.

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These people are so despicable there are no words to describe it.

Also see:
Kenny's Sideshow
Goon Squad
Truth Seeker


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McJ said…
Some interesting info in this Global Research article by Michel Chossudovsky

"The Role of Rahm Emmanuel

Obama's White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel was in Israel in the week prior to the launching of the raid on the Freedom Flotilla.

Although on a private visit, Rahm Emanuel met Prime Minister Netanyahu in high level discussions on May 26. And on that same day, the IDF confirmed the launching of a military operation directed against the Flotilla. On May 26, Rahm Emanuel also extended an invitation to Netanyahu to meet president Obama in early June following his scheduled official visit to Canada. In recent developments, Netanyahu has cancelled his US trip and is returning to Tel Aviv.

The Broader Military Agenda

It should be understood that the raid on the Flotilla also coincided with NATO-Israel war games directed against Iran. According to the Sunday Times "three German-built Israeli submarines equipped with nuclear cruise missiles are to be deployed in the Gulf near the Iranian coastline." (Israel Deploys Three Nuclear Cruise Missile-Armed Subs Along Iranian Coastline). The report tacitly presents Israel as the victim rather than the perpetrator of military threat:

"Israel’s business and defence centre, remains the most threatened city in the world, said one expert. “There are more missiles per square foot targeting Tel Aviv than any other city,” he said.

... The first [submarine] has been sent in response to Israeli fears that ballistic missiles developed by Iran, Syria and Hezbollah, a political and military organisation in Lebanon, could hit sites in Israel, including air bases and missile launchers.

The submarines of Flotilla 7 — Dolphin, Tekuma and Leviathan — have visited the Gulf before. But the decision has now been taken to ensure a permanent presence of at least one of the vessels."

The flotilla’s commander, identified only as “Colonel O”, told an Israeli newspaper: “We are an underwater assault force. We’re operating deep and far, very far, from our borders.”
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Anonymous said…
"Turkey has announced they will send another flotilla to Gaza escorted by the Turkish navy."

Will there be a military coup in Turkey before that can happen?

- Aangirfan
chuckyman said…
Just to add a little spice. Turkey does have access to nukes. The US parks a load of tactical nukes (B61’s I seem to remember) at Incirlik Air Base. Just like other NATO countries the locals have access in needs of emergencies
james said…
Here is the news article that is the source for the statement-"Ankara warned that further supply vessels will be sent to Gaza, escorted by the Turkish Navy"

However they, in turn, do not quote a source other than "Ankara". I have been unable to find any other reference to it so I have to conclude it isn't true. I would think if it were true, it would be plastered everywhere.

However, the attack does fall within the NATO Treaty definition of an act of war on Turkey.

Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Article 6 (1)

For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

...on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over...the Mediterranean Sea

So technically, they would be entitled to retaliate and have NATO's support as well. Erdogan has called a meeting of NATO ambassadors today.
Penny said…
Hey ap, isn't this entire story something else?

Do you get a weird feeling from all of this?

I do.

Like a 'lambs to slaughter' vibe
Penny said…
oh and the global language dictionary!

the propaganda bible.

Did you manage to enjoy your holiday yesterday?
A. Peasant said…
hi guys & gals, thanks for all the links. trying to get through them and get caught up....

yes pen, more or less enjoyed yesterday. many heavy thoughts to contend with like everyone else. had to give some dirty looks to the masons in the parade hahaha.

i'm not sure what we have here yet. the video posted at top to noor's site is really just mind-staggering evidence of mass psychosis over there in israel.
Greg Bacon said…
Looks like I can access comments for this posting, but only if I click on the link to the story???

Below is a comment posted to a VT story about the Zionist assassins that murdered the peace actvists, in italics and then my reply.

. My personal position is I want Israel to stay our of our business, and we should stay out of theirs

I agree! And to get that started, we should immediately cut ALL aid to Israel.

Those billions of free dollars each year we give to Apartheid Israel; several billion more in free weapons; billions more in 'loans' which are NEVER repaid, they get turned into grants and all those tens of billions of military contracts, like those APC's Israel's building, all of that welfare money needs to stop NOW.( And maybe we could get them to stop stealing our military, business and industrial secrets, but for now, let's just stop those welfare checks.)

Israel's economy is doing fine, it's actually growing and not sliding off a cliff like ours and their housing is actually appreciating, not losing value like American homes and they have a national health care system that's the envy of many nations, and puts our health care swindles to shame.

So why do we cut those monthly welfare checks to Apartheid Israel?

Hell, they should be sending us some of those trillions we've either given to Apartheid Israel or that was stolen from 401k accounts and retirement funds by their agents like 'Bernie' Madoff and his confederates.



Anonymous said…
People I have enjoyed the dialogue with you. I don't know what is going to happen here but my throat has been dry with with a chemical taste.

I have had some headaches which is unusual for me I don't get them. A funny feeling in the chest also. Last night the clouds were colored up as they passed the moon like the stuff they are spraying in the gulf.

I just don't feel well.
A. Peasant said…
dubs that is alarming. is there someone who looks after you or can check up on you?

and would you please give us a hello in the morning?
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A. Peasant said…
dubs is it like breathing paint fumes?